vermont has a virtually no gun laws. we do limit the amount of rounds again have during deer season for a semi-automatic. we have to be as protective of our citizens generally as that. i've never known a gun owner or hunter in vermont who says i have 30 rounds. >> we have about eight minutes. >> i am interested in your feelings about an assault weapons ban. >> i voted for the last assault weapon ban just as i voted to outlaw the [inaudible] i feel strongly about having served eight years in law enforcement. one of the questions i told my staff is i would like to get a definitive answer. did the assault weapon ban work? everybody understands the ban that you cannot have any fully automatic weapons. not since the 80's. i do not want anything symbolic. i want something to make people safer. they do not mind following the law as long as it applies to everybody. it is hard to say one size fits all. we have different gun laws in vermont than new york city. >> based on some of the ads and statements from nra officials, can you